00:00 Introduction
02:00 Keane beings speaking
02:30 Discussion of then-current approaches to alleviating poverty
04:30 Discussion of the working-poor in relation to schemes to alleviate poverty; discussion of administrative costs associated with welfare programs
05:30 Discussion of an annual income as the most efficient way of addressing poverty
06:30 Discussion of annual income as an incentive to leave welfare programs
07:00 Discussion of the annual income system as a less demeaning social support system
08:30 Schwartz begins speaking; discussion of the fuzzy nature of the topic
09:30 Discussion of the terminology associated with the subject
10:30 Discussion of the institutions and lobbies associated with; stigma of; technical problems related to annual income systems
12:00 Discussion of the then-existing social support programs
13:00 Discussion of the issues related to well-define the scope of a social support system
13:30 Discussion of benefit levels; demographic groups associated with social support structures
14:30 Discussion of a "highest common denominator" approach
15:30 Discussion of drawbacks of an annual income system; Esmonde-White begins speaking
16:00 Discussion of common misperceptions of an annual income program; discussion of the 1971 Senate report on poverty
17:00 Discussion of the logistics of an annual income system
18:00 Discussion of a base rate for annual income, rationale for
18:30 Discussion of benefits of an annual income system for those receiving it
19:00 Discussion of two issues pertaining to an annual income system; freedom issue and resource issue
20:00 Discussion of what Marx allegedly believed; annual income as a means of preventing communism
21:00 Discussion of resource allocation with regards to annual income
22:00 Discussion of an annual income system as allowing for those on it to pursue means beyond providing for themselves
23:00 Green begins speaking; discussion of feasibility
24:00 Discussion of the political context of social support systems
25:30 Discussion of a federal-provincial review of welfare programs in Canada
26:30 Discussion of there being no public demand for social support reform
28:00 Discussion of social supports as providing for the cracks in society
29:00 Further discussion a lack of public support for welfare reform; discussion of ameliorating the indignity associated with accessing social support programs
30:30 Discussion of bureaucrats, civil servants with regards to social support programs
31:00 Discussion of the papacy
32:00 Discussion of potential public perception of social support program reforms
33:00 Discussion of PEI's history with regards to social support programs
35:00 Beginning of rebuttal period; rebuttal from Keane
35:30 Discussion of "confusion" associated with social support programs
36:00 Discussion of problems associated with institutions
36:30 Discussion of public perceptions of income redistribution programs
37:30 Discussion of wealth disparity in Canada
38:00 Discussion of ideological concerns associated with social support programs
39:30 Discussion of reform as beneficial for those receiving social support benefits
40:30 Rebuttal from Schwartz
41:00 Discussion of means of distribution
41:30 Discussion of logistics associated with an annual income system
42:00 Discussion of the then-existing system as being "inefficient"
43:00 Discussion of forms of efficiency
43:30 Discussion of logistical difficulties associated with social support programs
44:30 Discussion of the role of computers in social support systems
45:30 Rebuttal from Esmonde-White; further discussion of computers
47:00 Discussion of varying perceptions of the efficacy of computers
47:30 Discussion of varying perceptions of what life is about
48:30 Discussion of bureaucracy and the public
49:30 Rebuttal from Green; discussion of whether social support programs incentivise leaving them; people who cannot get off social support programs
51:00 Discussion of the inadequacy of then-existing social support programs
52:00 Discussion of drawbacks to a formulaic approach to an annual income system
52:30 Further discussion of computers
53:00 Discussion of the role of the work ethic in social support systems
54:00 Discussion of wealth disparity, causes of
54:30 End of rebuttals; gap in recording
55:00 Beginning of question period; question regarding the logistics of an annual income system
58:00 Discussion of adequacy of social support systems
01:00:00 Comment regarding a lack of discussion on the public's perception of social support systems
01:03:00 Lengthy discussion of logistical issues associated with welfare reform
01:07:00 Comment regarding the lack of definitions given for who is eligible for welfare systems
01:10:30 Comment regarding implications of potential reforms to social support systems
01:16:30 Discussion of why bureaucrats behave the way they do
01:21:30 Comment regarding the development of social support systems
01:26:00 Comment regarding the necessity of a redistribution of income
01:28:00 Discussion of charity vs welfare
01:29:00 Comment that welfare programs disincentivise work ethic
01:33:30 Discussion of the mentality of those critical of social support systems
01:37:00 Discussion of what reforms were in actual motion
01:38:30 Comment on what people would do with leisure time were an annual income system to be implemented
01:40:30 Discussion of economic concerns associated with annual income systems
01:48:00 Discussion of rationale behind proposed and in motion reforms of social support systems
01:50:30 Inaudible question
01:52:30 Discussion of public perceptions of improvements to social support systems
01:55:00 Discussion of campaigns in PEI related to social support systems
01:56:30 Discussion of pejorative terms associated with those on welfare systems
